tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post2878246545123440387..comments2011-10-24T05:59:51.015-04:00Comments on Random, Mindless Utterings: God, Homosexuality, and The BibleAndrew Winterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12295500931525672376noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-79098105770707409172009-08-12T03:33:16.135-04:002009-08-12T03:33:16.135-04:00As an aside, I don't understand your use of 1 ...As an aside, I don't understand your use of 1 Timothy 3:16 here. That seems to have nothing whatsoever to do with marriage, homosexuality, or the supposed inerrancy of the Bible. I'm just confused, and maybe you could clarify for whoever else might be confused.<br /><br />As for the implied quote from 2 Timothy, I often see that taken too far. The quote is about the Bible being "useful" or "profitable" (let's leave Greek out of it for now) for particular functions, and doesn't say "inerrant" or anything like it. This is, to me, an important point, because the quote seems to come up so often, and I don't think it serves your purpose.Douglas Underhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215736448645573566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-46515952734773630872009-08-12T03:26:59.354-04:002009-08-12T03:26:59.354-04:00"The good folks at TFF (cause Two Friars and ..."The good folks at TFF (cause Two Friars and a Fool is way too hard to keep typing) take the view that the Bible can be bent, as long as the main point is kept."<br /><br />With respect, I do not accept this characterization. I will say this about myself:<br /><br />One good folk at TFF believes that the Bible is exactly what it appears to be - a collection of diverse documents written by human beings about themselves and God. Further, one good folk at TFF privileges the Bible over other books because the witness of his tradition and experience is that this particular collection of books tells us more than other books about God.<br /><br />I have a lot more to say, but I'll say it as I have been saying it. I appreciate you saying 'fine, argue that' and so on - I will :).Douglas Underhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215736448645573566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-14748090443066680512009-08-11T22:41:28.976-04:002009-08-11T22:41:28.976-04:00"I believe that the Bible is complete, withou..."I believe that the Bible is complete, without error, and breathed by God."<br /><br />We could say the same about Adam and Eve. Look how well that turned out.<br /><br />You do know that the notion that God dictates text to humans is Greek mythology, right? (See the opening verses of the Odyssey and the Iliad, for example.)<br /><br />On to Paul. You left out the most important verse in that passage! You should not stop reading him at the end of Chapter 1, but read on to Chap 2:1 (I presume you know that chapters and verses were not in the text as he originally wrote it), and you should ask yourself to whom was he writing.Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-14898896913857170982009-08-11T16:49:08.754-04:002009-08-11T16:49:08.754-04:00Andrew,
We've already agreed that debate is ...Andrew, <br /><br />We've already agreed that debate is not fruitful, so I will not lodge a counterargument. If you wish to explore this with me sometime we may. Your points are too simple by far here. Each point with but more detail and clarity means the opposite of what you think.<br /><br />God's blessings on your journey of discipleship.Aric Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15241157655075444268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-39496492386580602012009-08-11T15:53:22.598-04:002009-08-11T15:53:22.598-04:00I like this blog title - very apropos.I like this blog title - very apropos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-74746496512512131802009-08-11T15:20:26.649-04:002009-08-11T15:20:26.649-04:00Or,
Why not take in faith that the Bible we have ...Or,<br /><br />Why not take in faith that the Bible we have today is what he preserved as accurate and how he works in the midst of our fallenness is his Word? <br /><br />It's a matter of faith, presupposition, hermeneutics, and worldview.<br /><br />I miss-typed. It is hermeneutics, not doctrine.Andrew Winterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295500931525672376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2670147124646927604.post-13065889668158670292009-08-11T14:25:28.929-04:002009-08-11T14:25:28.929-04:00so is doctrine the issue or hermeneutics? how does...so is doctrine the issue or hermeneutics? how does inspiration, which is the essence of "breathed" equate with inerrancy or infallibility? how do we know the canon is inerrant given that it was not sealed in its current form until centuries after jesus? why is intertestamental literature not included in protestant bibles but in catholic and orthodox bibles? was the very canonization god breathed? did paul know about all of the other scriptures that were also god breathed? how do we know that? did god breathe the scriptures in greek? if so, why are there intertextual problems with the greek text that scholars have had to piece together over the centuries? where are the original letters and other writings that paul and other wrote? has anyone ever seen them?<br /><br />here is an answer. rather than root an understanding in scripture that must by nature ignore all of these and numerous other very important questions that make up the entire discipline of biblical studies, why not take in faith that how we interpret the word today may be quite inconsistent with previous interpretations, but that somehow god works in the midst of our fallenness to show us the way. it is important that a view of the bible does not usurp the knowledge that god is beyond what we claim to know about the bible. the pharisees and scribes thought they had it absolutely right and jesus discredited their faith in the law. perhaps if jesus visited us today, he would feel the same way about both my understanding of how the bible should be interpreted and yours. this is where we should seek humility and do what works for the people to whom we are called to minister.Drew Tatuskohttp://notes-from-offcenter.comnoreply@blogger.com